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K1: y u act shocked?
K2: I think it's not shock
K1: You see it as not shock, I do though
K2: Yeah we have how we see it but you're saying the way you see it is how it is, plz see the difference
K1: Not ur place
K2: Defensive?
K1: nah
K2: k
K1: Imma block u viber
K2: u can give criticism but u can't taek it, we agree defensive is bad tho'
A: be cooler if it did
idk if I'll get blocked for this D:(edited)
Oh no I got blocked I think D: I looked up how to check if you're blocked and you can try adding a reaction like a cookie and if you can't add it it means you're blocked so I tried adding cookies to Kamiko but it didn't work.
I'm going to pull one on you now, you may see it as Kamiko being defensive but please see the difference between what you think was going on in Kamiko's mind and what actually was.
12:56 PM
It might not be being defensive exactly, I know not what it was. (corrected now to not)(edited)
The way Kamiko speaks could seem rude but I think Kamiko is just (word removed) so I can try interpreting literally what Kamiko says instead of what imagined nuances would say about politeness, and Kamiko said "we're literally just talking", but then it seems Kamiko can find things impolite (or something) because Kamiko blocked us. So would Kamiko find another Kamiko impolite to talk to or are Kamiko's ideas of what's rude just different such that we seem rude but not Kamiko (assuming it's rudeness, idk, didn't say)?(edited)
i agree, kamiko definitely can find things impolite, so the "i have problems understanding how people interact so i can sound impolite sometimes" is not a valid argument(edited)
Interpreting a "o:" as an expression of shock is an assumption. If it was based on some sort of psychic sensing then it was innacurate because it was more like me finding it funny.(edited)
1:03 PM
And if you assume you understand the situation and block people then you could stay wrong about it if you were wrong to start with :\
Yeah maybe, that's a common flaw in the mind, where the mind gives itself the impression of being right instead of trying to actually be right, the mind tries to think it's right which can be achieved by delusion instead of having rational grounds, it's like a glitch, but people in the occult are meant to understand their own minds so I have some doubt that that's why.(edited)
and it's hard to not look at most of their interactions and acting in ways that look very defensive when their "authority" is challenged through a lens of their occult practice and having apprentices, meaning she's a "master"
I speculate that Kamiko had certainty. A problem I have in communications is that people don't try much to understand others or to be understood.(edited)
So would Kamiko find another Kamiko impolite to talk to or are Kamiko's ideas of what's rude just different such that we seem rude but not Kamiko (assuming it's rudeness, idk, didn't say)?
Ally was conceived from her original family (her other system) and she lived under one family until she met me. we talked and found a connection and found that we were both compatible and healthy for each other. we eventually decided that we enjoyed each other's presence a whole lot to the point that she wanted to be apart of my family (my system), which I agreed with. so we made an agreement that she would be apart of both my system and her original system and we would treat her as apart of the family just as much as her 'biological' family does. so it's very similar to how marriage and adoptions work by creating additions to families that aren't biologically unified but instead unified from an agreement that it's best for everyone that these two families are unified by a bond between people. I wouldn't really compare what happened between us to be either marriage or adoption though since neither definiton fully explains the connection, but it's the best analogy I have. so Ally became the first known dual-system tulpa by being conceived in one system and being adopted into mine.
I'm going to add that the analogies of Marriage and Adoption don't fully work because Adoption implies that I'm acting as her parent or guardian which isn't the case and Marriage implies that I'm acting as her spouse which is closer but also not fully accurate. also both of those are legally binding and we haven't done any legally binding stuff for obvious reasons.
Do you just mean you spend a lot of time talking with her online, or can you even talk with her "offline" (in your head) and she will be able to communicate this to her other system? Cause in the latter case is when it really gets interesting hehe(edited)
5:25 AM
In the former case, I feel like "dual system" would be a bit overhyping the situation ;P
So like I said her intentions originate from her original system but she still classifies herself as apart of my system and I do the same. we do spend a lot of time together online but we're able to at least acknowledge each others presence even when one system is offline because we have intractable models of each other in both system's headspace that only lacks the current intentions of the individual, but are accurate enough and capable enough that they function as fillers for each other when one system is offline.
can you even talk with her "offline" (in your head) and she will be able to communicate this to her other system
not really.
I feel like "dual system" would be a bit overhyping the situation
I said this wasn't metaphysics. it's a binding agreement between us. marriage being defined as the bonding of two souls into one isn't literal but that's how the unit functions and the families of the two married now sees the other as apart of the family so it's not much different (except we're not married nor do we act like we are).
maybe you could help come up with a better term then. neither Ally nor I really knew what to call it and it hasn't been mentioned before now to anyone so...
5:55 AM
well some people knew but it wasn't as public as it is now
Yeah when I first heard "dual system" I kinda went straight to assuming it was part of the metaphysical side of things where people believe it's truly the exact same entity that just "hops" from head to head
while yes I would describe the general relationship as a profound one, a profound relationship doesn't really cover the fact that she's apart of two separate systems, so I wouldn't use it simply because it doesn't encompass the entirety of it.
Well thats what Im saying, "part of two separate systems" sounds metaphysical, whereas your explanation sounds like shes just very close with your system. For instance, would you ever proxy for her?
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